DrBChing - you seem to spew out all manner of invective because people choose not to concur with your world view. The only 'politicians' who would seek a mandate according to your ideas are the BNP and neo-fascists - and then you'd soon see your democratic process go up in smoke.

Immigration is not the runaway problem you suggest. 90% of the population is white British.

Latest figures show that for the year to Sept 2011 there were 589,000 migrants to the UK - http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/may-2012/msqr.html#tab-1--What-are-the-latest-total-figures-of-international-migration-

Hardly an invasion or take over.

Disagreeing with someone is one thing - many of us do it here - you seem to be the exception and are unable to accept that others view matters differently. You're right and everyone else is wrong. And you do it in the most offensive and negative way you can. That makes you a xenophobe and bigot.

Such an approach isn't a debate, it isn't even reasoned argument - that's a sad individual fantasizing about something that is never going to happen.

As for your claims of 'indigenous' peoples - as Mavdo said, the British Isles have been colonised and migrated to almost for as long as the concept of nation states has existed here. Who constitutes your indigenous people? At which point do you define someone as 'British' if you look to historical notions?

We know what you really mean - you mean white people of Northern European stock - the benchmark the BNP use.

But you neglect to look upon our period as a country when we went round invading and taking over half the planet - which has subsequently led to the Commonwealth and the obligations we have taken toward those previous colonies. I imagine you think such a period was a glorious era that we should hark back to.

You're full of contradictions and inaccuracies - I could accept that, we're all different. But you inject an element of nasty, insidious, rhetoric which is dangerous and offensive and is not shared by the majority of the country. I'm happy to bring my children up in a country which is rich for it's diversity and tolerance of others. I'm glad that they can grow up here as opposed to a country under the likes of the Taliban, or Syria, or Congo, or Sudan, or any other country which is torn apart by war, poverty, and intolerance.

It's just a shame they have to grow up in a world that's shared with narrow minded individuals who spout poisonous ideas for the weak minded.

   Who are the indigenous people DrBChin? The Victorians? They Romans? The AngloSax? The Vikings? The Celts? Morris Dancers? This country has been invaded by hostile armies and reorganised so often, with some other invasions also being closely repelled, that this term holds no meaning here.

Economic migration benefits the country as a whole. We all benefit from the services and prosperity that an economic boost can create. It has happened for so long that there are many first, second, third, fourth.... twentieth generation immigrants here already. Are they to be thrown out just because Brits in general have a problem with binge drinking?

Individually, migration can sometimes cause temporary job losses etc, but then so can factories and call centres/IT services opening up elsewhere in the world (it's happened to me too). It is capitalism. But the overall impact is that other jobs become available, and most will benefit from it in the long term.

Economic immigration needs to be closely controlled. We need to know who is in the country and why, and when they stop being of a benefit to the country, they should leave. If the country stops being of benefit to them, they'd leave, so why should i be any different the other way around? This does not happen well enough now, and this needs to improve significantly. The UK is seen as a honey pot for a reason - we are too soft. But it should not stop economic migration full stop.

And just who do you think we should get into power that *wouldn't* be simply there to win votes for the next election? That's what politicians do because it is built in to the democratic process of voting.

But your views are not shared by the majority. Democratically, that means you put up with it or YOU move off somewhere else. It's my country too, and I'll put my vote forward to change it in the way I see fit. It's not the same as your vote. We have equal clout with our one vote. If you lose, tough.

   Yes,the country being taken over is one of my "pet" topics because I see it as a threat to my way of life.Do you not understand we are/have been invaded without a shot being fired and no democratic process to ask us if we wanted our country changed forever.That is not democracy.Then no one can object to this happening without being called names.I have no children so I have no vested interest in what happens here when I am gone but you with children should be very concerned because people with your attitude are condemning them to a third world country.Why you cannot see the connection with the decline of the indigenous population when their country is taken over by invaders when you have the example of the Native Americans,Aborigines and Innuit in front of you merely shows you have made up your mind without looking at the facts.One day,because of the difference in birthrate the indigenous will be in the minority.That is a fact.As Gaddafi said,"Why use the bomb when we have the womb"When that happens,your descendants will become an oppressed minority.You do not even bother to answer my point about when you would call a halt to immigration because one day there will be no more room to house everybody.Fact.Today our infrastructure,health services and education cannot cope with the numbers here.As I said before you are obviously happy to live in a country where you are told what to do and think by the political elite who care nothing for your views,only in getting elected at the nect "election".

   DrBching. One of the many people you see on local news websites who believe every word they read in the Daily Mail.

   I'm a Nuisance Drinker. *whoops

   "Just ignore the facts about drinking problems in this country." - you really are an idiot, that's all we've tried to discuss before you hijacked it.

Ironic you accuse others of racism, yet when you face the same accusation you run off to the moderators - "Miss, he called me names".

What's worse Mavdo higlighted a well known anthropological fact but you're too ignorant to understand that, hiding behind a woeful attempt to deflect your own casual racism by talking of aborgines, native americans and "indigenous" peoples.

This whole sideshow about the country being taken over is your pet topic, and one which you air at any opportunity irrespective of the matter in hand and without any care or caution about who you offend. You're a one trick pony and an armchair Hitler. You actually have my pity.

   Oh do shut up DrBChing, your comments are offensive. They contain no logic and only hysterical fear, and they are *completely* off topic.

An invasion is a force with a central command with a specific objective - to run the country as their own. In the migration of individuals that doesn't exist, so it cannot be true. You say foreigners are taking over, but exactly *which* group are you referring to? And which country are you talking about? Are you talking about Muslims, considering the examples you gave? If so, your comments are racist and hugely offensive. They should be removed from this page immediately.

You are making no sense whatsoever. Economic immigration is individuals moving where jobs are available. That has been the case for decades if not longer, and it will continue to be the case for a long time. There is no aim to take over a country, only an aim to better the lives of individuals that do it just as retiring Brits seek out the sun in Southern Europe etc.

I'm not being racist about Aborigines. That would involve me being negative about them in some way, and I'm not. It is a proven fact that they are genetically more inclined to alcohol dependency than Europeans, and there are clear reasons for that. I even provided web based evidence of that, but I've no doubt you didn't read it because that might involve you changing your mind slightly (hence the "bigot" comment).

If you want to decrease immigration, and put some caps on it, that's fine. Do it through politics, lobbying, and fight it with logic and clearly well thought out reasons and plans. *Listen* to other's point of view and actually digest them and respond to them where you disagree, with proof. If you don't do that, it's being bigotted. Shouting hysterical and unproven nonsense whilst ignoring everyone else's opinions, just because you believe they are wrong, as you are here will get you nowhere because most people, like me and Winstanley, will just switch off.

So stop your diatribe and go away. The BNP and EDL are just waiting for your membership, but most find those groups distasteful to the extreme, and no one wants to read that garbage here.

   Now MAVDO is being racist about Aborigines.Just ignore the facts about drinking problems in this country.Yes,we have had immigration for centuries.The Normans were immigrants.Did that make King Harold a bigot?Does that make everyone who fought to stop us being invaded by the Germans a bigot?Times have changed;the country is overcrowded (see the article about development in Crowthorne) and the scale now is far too great and those in charge have made it an offence to dislike them and they will one day take over the country.Do you think you would be allowed to build a church in Saudi Arabia or openly practise Christianity?I do not understand why you people want this country to be taken over by Foreigners.If you want to live among them,go and live in their country.I suspect you will not like it but your descendants will certainly not like living in this country.

   @DrBChing - The drinking problems that Aboriginies face is partly because of their well-proven genetic susceptibility to alcoholism. Ethnic groups who have had little exposure to alcohol in their societies have not developed a tolerance to it. Instead it is the sudden introduction of alcohol in connection with socialising that leads to dependance. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_tolerance. Their current alcohol problems are relatively recent, and are not to do with people coming in and taking their "employment". Such a concept didn't even exist before the "white man" took hold. The invasion of Australia isn't even comparable in the slightest with economic migration.

This country has accepted immigrants for *centuries*. It is no different now than it was then. You probably come from a line of immigrants yourself, if you go back far enough. Almost all people in the UK do. Our country is not being "invaded" by anyone, no more than ex-pats from this country are "invading" the South of France or wherever they may settle.

The alcohol problem in this country is cultural and not directly associated with unemployment at all. There are many people in this country who like nothing better than to go out on a Friday/Saturday night and get absolutely blottoed until they can't stand, walk, or think straight. Many of them deny responsibility for the anti-social antics that go with too much drink and blame it instead on the drink. Most of these people have jobs.

So I agree with Winstanley, who seems to have a much more detailed knowledge of the issue than you. Leave this debate to people who actually know about the problem, because you clearly have absolutely no experience of the majority of those who drink alcohol to excess in this country, if you have any experience of it at all, and keep your bigotted ideas away from it. Opinions like yours distract from the real issues at hand, and stoke unnecessary anger and division focussed at the wrong people entirely. Maybe you have been corrupted by The Daily Mail, or opinions dreampt up down the pub after a few.

   I really wasn't going to bother with someone who clearly knows so little about the world and gleans all their information secondhand without bothering to exercise any sense of critical analysis. But that's why the definitions kindly provided earlier are so spot on.

I know from bitter personal experience about the drinking problem in this country and don't need a jumped up wingnut like you to lecture me on it - especially one who makes the broadest of generalisations about topics and individuals you know nothing about.

As my headmaster used to say - "open your ears and mind and close the gaping hole in your face".

   Winstanley,I suggest you investigate what has happened to many Australian Aborigines,it is well documented.The Government there has recently stopped paying their "benefits" (for that is what many of them live on) in cash to stop them using it to buy alcohol.That is exactly the problem we are talking about here.If you also bothered to learn what is going on in this country you would realise we have a serious drinking problem in this country.Now do you get it or do you not wish to join the real world but continue living in your nice cuddly socialist world where we invite all the World and his wife to live in this crowded little island and where money grows on trees?

   Oh stop it. I haven't laughed so much since Phillip Lee suggested a Museum of Bracknell Life.

Aborigines? Native Americans? Indigenous peoples?

Let's look at the headline to this article again.....

oh yes, "Police to crack down on nuisance drinkers"

Anyway I have far more important things to worry about - time to paint my nails and fix the falsies.

   So all you people calling me names must be happy that we have (officially) 2.75 million unemployed including many young people who are facing a lifetime without work;that the countryside is being despoiled (especially around Bracknell) by building houses to cater for the burgeonibg population;the overloading of infrastucture;the change in our society (about which we have never been consulted);the lack of freedom of speech to complain about these things without being victimised..Thus you must be happy with being dictated to by the small minority in power,just like "1984".You remain silent about the fact of the decline of indigenous people like the Aborigines,Innuit and Native Americans whose way of life was changed forever by invaders.Are you happy with what has happened to them?

   BRAD!! You're back! Welcome Home Sunshine...

   Wikipedia: Bigot= a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group. Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, race, ethnicity, nationality, region, language, religious or spiritual belief, personal habits, political alignment, age, economic status or disability.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org - Bigot= a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong.